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Saturday, October 14, 2006 - Dirt Market and 133t haggling skillz

Today was another action-packed day – it’s not even 6 PM and I’m already completely exhausted. Me and Hannah got up bright and early at nine to go to the Dirt Market with Patrik, a place we had wanted to visit for quite some time but just hadn’t gotten around to. Patrik on the other hand had been there several times already, but wasn’t tired of it at all.
Let me tell you a little about Beijing: It’s a HELL of a big town. We live in the northwest corner of Beijing – not the suburbs by any means, but quite far from Tiananmen Square and the sightseeing spots. This means that if we want to do anything outside of our little university neighbourhood area (slightly bigger than all of Uppsala), it takes the entire day. And the Dirt Market was literally on the other side of town, in the southeast part of Beijing.
Subway: around 50 minutes, including three changes.
Walking in the wrong direction (thank you Patrik!): around 15 minutes.
Bus: 20 minutes.
Walking: 15 minutes.
We started off from Wudaokou around 10.20, and reached the market around 12.30, and by then I was so exhausted I just wanted to go home. It didn’t help that there were three big markets in the area (one selling… big rocks, from what we could tell, about as big and tall as a person, and one indoor market selling antiques that we walked past), and Patrik had forgotten what the surroundings of the Dirt Market looked like. Naturally, it was the market furthest away from the bus stop, and as we trudged along I wondered if it was really worth the time and effort to come to such a godforsaken place. What could possibly be so special about yet another Chinese market?
Dude, I was so wrong.
The Dirt Market (Or Panjiayuan Market, as it’s called in Chinese, and yes, it’s same character for Pan as my Mom’s surname) is first of all HUGE.







And it’s outdoors; more smoking but not as stuffy as indoor markets. And there are rows upon rows upon rows of little stalls, selling every single Chinese knickknack you can possibly imagine. Antique chests and furniture, giant calligraphy brushes as long as my legs, Mao memorabilia, paintings, calligraphy, art, jade, pearls and beads (a lot of the jewellery looked a lot like Native American jewellery, surprisingly enough), silk bags, wine coolers, pillows, clothes and chopsticks sets, figurines, pottery, stones and stone stamps, swords, old phones and cameras… whether things were real or fake I didn’t know, and frankly didn’t care – oddly enough, I didn’t feel an urge to buy any of the knickknacks; just browsing the stalls was overwhelming enough already. And also, most of the things were fascinating, kitschy junk I wouldn’t fill my home with. Amongst the more interesting things I saw though were:
- A Mao clock with the second hand shaped like a rocket, and Mao waving with every tick.
- wind-chime-like dolls made of sheets of leather, but so fine it was semi-transparent. The details of the doll were carved through the leather, creating a very nice effect against backlighting.
- a painting of a girl and uh, a breast-feeding piglet. (quite disturbing, actually)
- 100-year old shoes made for “lotus feet”. That was truly unsettling.




As we browsed, we suddenly stumbled upon an intriguing sign: “No smoking.” Entering the roofed area, we realized why: along the entire length of the market, was a never-ending line of book stalls, selling everything from Western books to old booklets with faded texts. Then, I was reminded of my love of books and reading, and how much I wish I could read Chinese fluently. A significant part of a 5000-year old history and culture is closed for me – because of my language skills, or lack thereof, there’s so much I can’t explore and experience.

One thing was uplifting though – I finally felt some advantage to being a Chinese at a Chinese market. Usually, I feel handicapped because I look and talk like a Chinese, and therefore can’t ask questions about things I ought to know as a Chinese. But at the market, I got the real prices quoted from start, not the ridiculous starting prices they give foreigners. Well, when I browsed on my own anyway. I looked at a silk handbag at one stall and was told it cost 30 RMB. At the next stall, I talked to Patrik (in Swedish) right before inquiring about the price for the exact same kind of bag, and the saleswoman started at 60 RMB. It felt really good to scoff in her face and walk off – I might have been ripped off buying my red Chloé bag, but that was my tuition fee. I’m not going to be that easily fooled again. So when I angered the saleswoman at the next stall, giving a ridiculous counter-offer, I wasn’t really bothered – I’d rather have them be mad at me for starting off too low, than waste my hard-earned (hrm, well, borrowed or my parents’ hard-earned) cash by paying too much. Because the Chinese sellers always want to sell, and as I returned to the stall an hour after, I got the bag quite amicably for 25 RMB. (I had started off at 10 RMB, and she responded by snatching the bag back and refusing to talk to me. When they do that, or tell you to keep browsing without any haggling, they really mean it. It’s another thing if you haggle and they tell you that, cuz then they’ll probably call you back as you’re walking away) And when I asked about prices for the other bags, she gave me quite exact numbers – i.e. 22 RMB instead of 25/30 RMB – which no one ever does, to make clear it was her lowest possible offer, thus sparing us both the haggling process. And when we chatted about her prices to foreigners, she told me they start at 100-120 RMB, working down to around 50 or 60 RMB. I know they do the same at Silk Market and such, and I never really realized before just how frustrating that must be for Westerners.
I think she got a little miffed though when Patrik came round and we started speaking Swedish.

But hey, every once in a while, I should get to have the best of two worlds.

I’m beginning to see some haggling principles as well, and listing them here will help me improve my skills, so –
Rule number one: they will never sell at a loss, (unless they’ve had a severely unprofitable day and they’re desperate, i.e. a rainy day at an outdoors market) which means they will always make a profit off of you. But how much more they earn besides the minimum profit, is up to you and your haggling skills.

Rule number two: don’t be afraid to call them on bullshit. If they counter an inquiry about the price with “you tell me how much you think it’s worth”, just act irritated and tell them to give you a straight answer if they’re really interesting in making a deal.

Rule number three: knowledge is power. Some things can be unique, but those are few and far between. Some clothes were one of a kind at the market I went to on Friday, and a lot of knickknacks at the Dirt Market as well, but apart from that, compare and contrast. There’s not a single unique thing at markets like Silk Market and Yashow, and if you know what you want, haggle at several different places. If that isn’t possible, you just have to use your own judgment, and ask yourself – how much is this thing worth to a Chinese? Because that’s how much you should pay, Chinese or not. Also, as a foreigner, you're almost always given a higher price, even if we're just talking about buying fruit.

Rule number four: As I’ve said already; better to give too low an offer than a too high one. Because unless they’re literally swearing at you (which I’ve seen happen), you can always come back after a few hours’ browsing, with a more realistic view on what something’s worth. They’ll still want to haggle then.

Rule number five: No matter how much you know about haggling in theory, it really isn't until you've gained some experience, maybe been ripped off a couple of times, that you really start to get a feel for it. I thought I knew the first few times, but man, it is infinitely harder when you're standing there and the saleswoman is smattering incessantly next to you about the quality and such. (Now I've learned to tune her out except for the relevant phrases)

Notes:
- Today’s weather was really horrible. It was overcast, but unlike elsewhere, it felt as if you were literally covered in pollution. The haze in the air wasn’t fog, for sure.



The view from the subway station.

- I didn’t know this, but apparently, starting south of Tiantan is the slum area of Beijing. I saw my first horse cart in Beijing today, and the streets around the Dirt Market reminded me more of Hegang and Harbin than of Beijing.



A pretty decent building.



The area right on the other side of the building.

- Subway is insanely tasty here. It also has sugared ice tea on tap with the other soft drinks. On that note, McDonald's has a hamburger of the week with kimchi in it. And a pie with what I swear looks like green peas.



(browsing the art stalls)
Patrik: “I’m going to buy pictures of naked girls!”
(Me walking two steps and seeing a huge painting in traditional Chinese style, but with a nude woman and some artsy drapes)
Me (pointing): "There you go."
Patrik: "Wow. You’re good."

(Patrik giving his ice tea to Hannah to hold while he eats his Subway sandwich)
Patrik: "You can be our cup holder!"
Hannah (deadpan): "That's what I'm here for."



Poor guy. He must have a headache.

(Hannah eating my grapes)
Hannah: *chew* *chomp* "I love grapes!"
Me: "Have them! I can't eat them all, and they're gonna go bad otherwise."
Hannah: "No, I can't, cuz then I'll just go to the bathroom every five minutes the whole night."
Me: "Heh, no seriously, if you like them, have them."
Hannah: "No, I have to go to the bathroom now."
Me: "Haha"
Hannah (as she gets up and walks to the bathroom): "I'm not kidding."

Feifei fumbled with chopsticks @ 10/14/2006 08:54:00 PM| 7 enjoyed the dumplings

7 enjoyed the dumplings
Anonymous Anonymous finished the dumplings and said..

good to see that you have the barganing thing down... it tires me... it makes shopping to much of a hassle... i dont want to work for something im about to pay money for... and i wont dance your stupid dance you monkies..
well zhu-ling (my old ah-ma, whos become very sucessful in tianjin now) when she goes shopping shes like the traditional dragon lady.. she haggles till the sales person cries... she was adimant in getting me some clothes so we settled on a ck teeshirt that i spotted from afar so she went up to the guy (who looked about 11y/o) and asked how much that shirt was and he said cant you read it marked 80rmb and she scoffed and said its not worth more than 10, i almost died... so in the end she got it for 18rmb... and while we were standing there a older white guy was asking for a la-coste shirt also marked 80, he was chuffed when he haggled it down to 65....i think he was american... anyways... those "touristy" places are typically out to rip of the foriginers... im glad you know the importance of getting pat and hannah to walk away from you before engaging in haggling...
and to pull out your most "chinese" chinese accent... HAHAHAA

i hope you dont mind me blogging on your blog... i feel like im adding posts... HAHAHAA

October 16, 2006 6:02 AM  
Blogger Feifei finished the dumplings and said..

I love that you blog on my blog, adds a bit of interactivity to it. Also, kudos for finding out how to comment, since most people who read it aren't regular blog readers and are a bit confused by the dumpling enjoyment.
As for the haggling thing, I wouldn't say I have it down pat, but I am getting better and better with each time. Also, when it comes to cheap-ass stuff, I don't have the time and energy to spend 10 minutes on saving another 2 RMB. And yeah, it's insane how much they overcharge foreigners, they pay about double the money Chinese pay.
Re: Tianjin, me and Hannah are talking about taking a weekend trip there, I'm dying to see the blend of European and Chinese architecture. (And shop, but that's secondary)

October 17, 2006 4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous finished the dumplings and said..

well theres a place for you in TJ if you need/want it... its a two bedroom with a lounge deal, but theres no kitchen... and the bathrooms kinda shitty... its where jessica stays when she has to go via bejing to get home.
our family friends own it, and its empty coz their kids are here in NZ. they live on the same floor but hardly ever use the kids "apartment" anymore.
anyways its really nice its like a 5star hotel compared to most places.
so you HAVE to go da hu-tong (the wholesale markets) its INSANE good... and if you like tech and dvds and stuff then theres bai-nao-hui (buynow in english) its like a megamart of tech (all little stores just like the wholesale markets)
and everything in TJ is like 30% cheaper than bejing
and the taxi's thier DIRT cheap!

but i have to admit the architechture is a little dissapointing coz as much as it is "western" its still covered in dirt and grime and there are A/C units allover the exterior and the visard is not really kept in great condition but it does feel like better parts of NYC oddly enough...

but the TEDA (tainjin economic developement area, aka, the new district, sprawl to the wall as americans would say) is SOOOOOooOOOO nice its creepy you get this almost stepford feeling when you take the monorail in...
there is actually green grass the kind that you would have a picnic on... the stuff that actually smells clean, never mind the 3 ppl to every arce watering it down... around the clock... its just WERID!
and the parks... you swear to god you were here, in NZ...
and they have this new libary that you would just cream yourself when you see it... its like a football stadium... its insane!
and the roads are clean, and the mall is boring and almost sterile... its weird!
and there are no shitty cars insite either!
its just the strangest most out of place area... but then theres down-town teda which is a little more busy but its hardly china-esk...

okay i just stoped to take a breather and i realised i might as well have written a full post... i was only meaning to say, go, enjoy, explore, its good... its a must if you have the time/energy/money...

when i take the time to read a blog, i feel like i should comment, its like having a phone conversation... its natural to me to talk back...

i wonder if hannah or any of your other melanin deficent mates have "trouble" shopping?
perhaps due to their "hue" thier on average paying ALOT more?
it would be interesting to know...

October 18, 2006 5:49 AM  
Blogger Feifei finished the dumplings and said..

the place in Tianjin sounds great, I'd love to stay there when I do go visit! I def plan to, but it won't be for at least another two weeks (cramming this weekend and halloween next weekend). The architecture and TEDA def sounds worth a visit.
As for my caucasian pals, they do have to bargain harder and fight off the Chinese sellers more than we do - in the Silk Market, they completely ignored us but went all sorts of crazy at the sight of blue eyes and blond hair. But it does help to know a bit of Chinese and appear as much a "Beijinger" as possible but still, they're never gonna get as good (read: as accurate) starting offers as Chinese. It ain't fair, but then again, as long as there are fat tourists willing to pay triple or quadruple the real price, why would they change their successful tactics?

October 18, 2006 7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous finished the dumplings and said..

well when an easy meal ticket comes along... why not take it? even if its based on skin colour... realistically im a easy meal for most ppl, they just cant tell coz im only white on the inside... (:D)
anyways, call dad before you go to TJ, and get the details off him... i've told him whats up and hes got the contact details for you...
all you got to do is call and show up at the right address and its all yours.
but i highly reccomend taking someone with (hannah) because if you dont then your at the peril of having your time hijacked by them... that and you want to share the luxuary that is thier apartment, i mean there are two bedrooms a really nice bathroom... and a damn big lounge even a dining area, just no kitchen... its not like you two cook anyhow... but i warn you if you are to go to the wholesale markets attempt to get there before 8.00am the first deal of the day is something you cant pass up!
and theres a "ancient market" but it wont be half a big as the one in bejing, nor as "authentic" its much more touristy...

October 19, 2006 6:16 AM  
Blogger Feifei finished the dumplings and said..

cool, thanks a bunch! I've told Hannah, and she's really excited about it as well. We'll def ask your dad before we head off to Tianjin.
Btw, if you want to laugh, you can either watch the video of Patrik dancing (one of my earlier posts) or read this guy's hilarious account of a Chinese toilet (don't eat beforehand though). Just a tip =P Have a great day babe!

October 19, 2006 11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous finished the dumplings and said..

by "this guy" you meant to tag a link im sure.... but you might need to clarafy for me... since im no mind reader... well i am... but only my dog... and only when its dinner time...

October 20, 2006 6:33 AM  

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